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Cap10
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   Topic: A Political Question.Posted: 12 March 2010 at 8:54am |
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How many of yall would be (at least willing look at and consider a democrate for office) interested in what the democrate party agenda was if they were very pro gun, gun ownership, and pro gun legislation? The democrate party was founded on some good views and I was wondering if anyone agreed with those basic fundamental views, but don't support them because of what the party has turned into, stands for today, and the wacko leadership that is in charge of the party today. It wasn't that long ago that the democrates were considered the conserviative party.
Just a thought I had, and with all the political discusion as of late, thought there might be some interesting feedback on the topic.
And, while were at it, what would be one thing you would change about the Republican Party?
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GDO7
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:07am |
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To say that most conservatives on this forum base their political support off of guns and gun rights would be far from the truth. There would have to be WAY more change for me to vote the other way. I don't really think it is possible to have a very conservative leftist. If that were the case then I would think they wouldn't stand a chance with the Dems and would typically be Independent.
I know it was hypothetical so I'm not busting your balls. Just my $0.02.
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Cap10
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:20am |
Didn't take it as such, I just thought it would be an interesting idea to kick around.
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playaxplorer
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:23am |
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William,
I am willing to examine any and every political party, and more specifically political candidate and measure them against my what I believe is good representation/good government. But as I see the Dem party today it continues to move (at a rapid pace) away from what I value. I have to agree with Brad, pro-gun, pro-hunting are only a component. Generally speaking ideology of less government, letting individuals succeed/fail on their own merits lends itself to being pro-gun (individual liberty, anti-police state). As for changing the Republican party I'd prefer to see them move further away from the progressive direction, particularly at a moral level. As I see the Republican party now, their greatest flaw is their compulsive need to thrust their moral values on folks..... Aside from that I'd change the political landscape altogether. Federal Legislative sessions would meet only every other year (much like we have in Texas) prompting for less time in DC and more time at home in their districts. Hopefully a by product of such a move would be to lessen the number of "career" politicians and allow more common folk to legislate. The government was founded on the everyman mentality of farmers, and shopkeeps, who did not have to abandon their profession in order to serve the public. |
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Duckquest
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:26am |
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Problem as I see it is that what is considered the "center" has move farther left than where either party was founded. This is the reason for the growth of people identifying theirselves as Libertarian. .
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I never said it would be easy...I just said it would be worth it.
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agengo02
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 10:44am |
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Both parties are so corrupt that they each skew the lines of their party. I like the idea of keeping them in their district, but it will never happen.
Sometimes I dislike how Republicans disagree just to disagree with Democrats. The political process is already slow, but these actions drag it to almost a stand still. The people are the ones who suffer from it the most. People issues are turning more and more into political issues which should not happen. The center has moved to more liberal ways but that happens all the time. 100 years ago a woman wearing a mini skirt was unheard of, but we enjoy it today and it is totally acceptable. I am sure in 100 years gay marriage will be way more common than today. That's just the way a society works. |
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agengo02
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 10:45am |
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But to answer the question, I don't care which party they are from it matters what their views are.
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G K Chambers
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 3:40pm |
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When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 there were reports he said, "I'm afraid we have lost the South for a generation." and "the South was signed away for 50 years".
I don't think the old SOB was wrong. There was a majority conservative contingent of Southern Democrats that jumped to the GOP as the 60's wound down and the movement picked up through the 70's and then the 80's. Think of the current Texas Republican leaders that began their careers as Democrats....our Governor is the first to come to mind. There are many others. I anticipate the Dems will increase in power in the near future as the Tea Baggers turn on the Republicans and run their own candidates. 
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hencutter
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 4:46pm |
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LBj wasn't quite the "civil rights minded" guy that he portrayed to the public. At least not according a retired secret service man who was from my parents home town and life long friends with my uncle. To respond to the question, I try to vote for the person rather than the party. In local elections, on occasion I vote for the Democratic candidate. It is true that the Dems have moved farther to the left, although there are a few left that are Pro-Life, Pro-gun. I know on this forum,I am usually plugging for the Republicans in national elections,but in most cases , it is choosing the lesser of two evils. Edited by hencutter - 12 March 2010 at 5:19pm |
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trdcst
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 5:16pm |
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LBJ was raised in the south and would have the same southern vocabulary as most southerners.He was a ruthless old SOB and a great politican. He would be appalled by the lack of bi-partenship we see today.He may have not been the" Great Emancipater"but he did what was best for the country.
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AgDuckHunter
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 7:29pm |
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I would vote for a dumbocrap if said individual was actually pro-2nd amendment, ANTI-baby killing, anti-taxes, anti-big gubmint & pro-border control. Those individuals are few & far between. |
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Cap10
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 8:34pm |
That is what I was eluding to when I made the reference about "not too long ago...."
My grandparents were as conservative, or even more so, than anyone I know and I can remember seeing my grandfathers voter registration card and he was a registered Democrat. If I remember right, he told me that many of the "Republicans" were viewed as Socialist and wanted to do nothing more than turn the US into the next Soviet Union. Kind of weird how the times/agenda's have changed. He would roll over in his grave if he knew what things were like now! Edited by Cap10 - 12 March 2010 at 8:35pm |
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trdcst
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:06pm |
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The southern Democrats were left over from the Cival War. When the south voted in a block. They would have voted for anybody as long as it wasnt a Republican.
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hencutter
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 9:23pm |
Very True ! still have relatives in Louisisana like that. Consevative, but life-long democrats.
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HowardTheDuck
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 10:16pm |
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To answer your question about voting for a democrat today.....no. Maybe a local candidate but not one that will represent TX on a National level.
The democrats have sold their soul to the leaders of the Progressive movement. We are witnessing it first hand in DC with the Health Care fiasco.
Even if a democrat runs on a Conservative agenda and is elected, by the time the Progressive leadership (Pelosi, Reid, Obama) is finished with arm twisting and extortion, that democrat more than likely has become a lockstep voter.
Today's National democrats are members of the Socialist Party.
The Republicans are similar to the democrats of the 60's with their moderate Conservative members.
The Libertarians are wack jobs until they figure out that their belief in legalized drugs will never get them anywhere.
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HowardTheDuck
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 10:20pm |
Tea Bagger?
 You sound like a lefty democrat.I am a Tea Party member. I will be doing everything I can to ensure that Conservatives take over the Republican Party and bring it back to what it once was under Reagan.
I think that you are incorrect in your assumption, especially if the Health Care travesty is signed into law. Sarah Palin, a Tea Party member, understands that the Tea Party movement will not get anywhere without structure and organization. That structure and organization is available in the GOP. All that is needed is votes to remove the RINOS and install Conservatives.
Ask Charlie Crist about Rubio in Florida.
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G K Chambers
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Posted: 12 March 2010 at 11:28pm |
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You're absolutely right. Purge the party until only the true believers remain.
Palin is the stuff landslides are made of. 
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hencutter
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 12:03am |
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I don't know about landslides ( you know..the so called "landslide" that Barry Hussien got,according to MSNBC,The Huffington Post, ya know,the real news media ) but, Palin makes socialist crazy. Maybe ,should she get elected to any office, there will be a mass suicide on the left. One can only hope.......hhmm...maybe THATS the "HOPE" and change that we can look for !
disclaimer ... I don't really hope for any one to commit suicide.Only for the left to go back into hiding.
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playaxplorer
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 9:01am |
Hencutter, IMO its a tough case for Palin to make as a fiscal conservative when her only experience is gov of AK, the single largest recipient of federal funds annually...... just sayin'
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Cap10
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 3:30pm |
Ain't that the truth!
As far as the next Presidential Run....I think ol' slick Rick is gonna give it a go. I see a Palin/Perry ticket....which I personally think would be a good ticket.
And speaking of something sickening....I was flippin through the tv and saw on the Communist News Network they have this columnist named Madder or Meddor or something like that....mega buch looking liberal and she was interviewing Pukeoosssiii. The interviewer was trying to have these big ol puppy dog sad eyes and asking Pukeooossi when the former Bush administration was going to be held accountable for all their actions and harm and how many people are going to have to die in this war because of Bush and when is this administration going to fix that ....yadda...yadda...yadda. It was sickening!  Pukeooossiii response was that it was this current administrations descission to move forward and that top withdraw at this moment would do far more harm to the region and she didn't want to see that region suffer any more than it had to, because it had already suffered soo much because of this war and Bush. They want to help those people and as soon as it is feasible to withdraw they will. I about dayum near vomited right their! Edited by Cap10 - 13 March 2010 at 3:31pm |
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G K Chambers
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 8:20pm |
Probably best to "hope" she would complete any term she was elected to.
Just saying..... 
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HowardTheDuck
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Posted: 13 March 2010 at 10:34pm |
Palin will not get the nomination. Dont get your lefty hopes up. She is a great advocate but the media has ruined her as a candidate.
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G K Chambers
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 8:34am |
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Fiscal conservatism is insufficient Howard as there are many litmus tests for the righteous right. Don't forget the many requisite social views required by the pious. Agduckhunter was honest enough to list the antiabortion position as a necessary condition for a bona-fide conservative and there are a slew of others.
This past week I heard Glenn Beck suggest that folks should stop attending churches if "social justice" was being preached from the pulpit. 
So now it appears that the genuine Conservative must attend attend a certain type of church. The list of what it takes to be a true conservative seems to be getting longer and the requirements more stringent. Interesting way to expand a base. |
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GigaFowl
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 9:46am |
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Well --- in the next national election I will not be voting for any Democrats --- period.... Traditionally I have voted for "the candidate not the party" but not this time....
Example --- Gene Green from my district held a townhall meeting here to "get in touch with his constituents" --- well you needed to pass thru an outside crowd of Tea Party protesters --- show your voter registration card as proof of inclusion in his electoral district --- and when about 200 of his district members crowded into a room......
He explained the details of the Health Care reform to us --- Doctors present spoke against it --- Insurance providers present spoke against it --- small business owners present spoke against it --- employees of large companies present spoke against it --- retirees present spoke against it --- in short EVERYONE in the room spoke against it....
Well he explained - It is just a far more complicated and larger problem than ya'll realize and we are just going to have to push this thru ASAP....
Later several unuformed officers assisted his departure...
WELL --- What I heard was --- A. Ya'll are too dumb to understand what we are doing OR B. I don't care what you think this is the PARTY PLAN
When they ONLY represent their party and not their constituents --- IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE !
PS - March 10 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report....
Over the period 2010 to 2020, CBO expects the Obama budget would run a cumulative deficit of $11.3 trillion — $1.2 trillion more than the administration predicted. By 2020, total federal debt would reach an astonishing $20.3 trillion — up from $5.8 trillion at the end of 2008.
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ducknut
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[QUOTE=G K Chambers]
This past week I heard Glenn Beck suggest that folks should stop attending churches if "social justice" was being preached from the pulpit. So now it appears that the genuine Conservative must attend attend a certain type of church. [QUOTE] I can't vote for anyone that supports gay marriage...because God does not. I can't vote for anyone that supports abortion....because God does not. I can't vote for anyone that is not fiscally responsible...because God tells us to take care of what he have.
I know for a fact, as it is well documented, that America was founded on Godly principals. Our obvious deterioration as a country is mainly due to our veering too far from those principals. I don't think our country is too far "right" or too far "left", I think we've gotten too far from God. Separation of church and state was to protect the church from the state....not the other way around.
We don't need a million laws..... we need to follow the Ten Commandments. We don't need a welfare system......we need to read, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." (2 Thessalonians 3:10). Notice it doesn't say "cannot work" it says, "will not". If a man can not work, then we "must love thy neighbor, as thyself", and help our fellow man out. I'm against gay marriage, but I also know that adulterous straight men and women have done as much damage to the sanctity of marriage as gay folks.
I'm a registered republican, but I'd vote for any man who displayed his support of Godly principals. Don't mess with my guns. Don't tax me to death to pay for social issues. Don't kill babies. Don't have an opinion just to be popular. I respect a man that says, "this is what I'm for, this is what I'm against....PERIOD." and then vote that way. Politicians, all of them, are a joke and I've yet to meet one that I'd invite to my home for dinner. I don't want some candy-assed, slick-talking, politician. I want a MAN that is honest. There may be such men on this forum, but I guarantee you there are none in politics. Every election, I find myself voting for "the lesser of evils", and that is sad.
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In the wild, there is no health care. In the wild, health care is, 'Ow, I hurt my leg. I can't run. A lion eats me. I'm dead.' Well, I'm not dead. I'm the lion. You're dead. Dwight Schrute
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Why have political parties at all? It seems to me all they do is bog down the system with the "have to vote with my party" crap. The individual sent to Washington DC is sent there to represent those who sent him/her there. Not themselves. If those people don't want something then the person responsible for helping them be heard votes against it. Simple as that. I also agree strongly with what's already been said - that the person should represent from home, not DC. Just like they did in the "old" days. But my question is this - can the problems that we're finding ourselves in today be fixed after B.O. leaves office or will we be forever doomed????
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The only two party system that truly exist is progressive and conservative. The only question needed t be asked is to what degree of progressive is the candidate. And if he or she is any degree then they are worthless.
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hencutter
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 5:16pm |
I don't always agree with Beck, hardly ever watch him, but he is correct. If a so-called church says that sodomites are ok to marry ( a covenent between 2 people and God) or that they can pastor,minister,etc. then it is not a true Christian church. If it is a denomination that makes such a statement, then the local body should remove themselves from that denomination ASAP and not transfer any funds, nor buy any material in the form of teaching material,publications,etc. from them.
Gary,this is not a "new " thought, but a couple of thousand years old. The Apostle Paul taught that if so called believers were in error according to Scripture, they should be shown the error and given a chance to repent. If no repentence comes, then we should have nothing to do with them until they repent.
No one,regardless of what ever education ,can rightly understand scripture without Holy Ghost guidence.
As far as exanding a "base", I for one think that the right should do like the left does. We can have dozens of children, ( of course, we tend to support our own,rather than getting the govt. to do it for us. )
and/ or, allow millions of illeagal aliens to help fill our ranks with thier anchor babies. I wonder how many Scandinavians/Germans,etc . that we could get here illeagally? Edited by hencutter - 14 March 2010 at 7:19pm |
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I hate both parties.
What the hell do you expect from Washington or Austin when we elect a bunch of lawyers and Politicians.
Believe me I know lawyers and pushing paper back and forth and adding nothing to the community and society is what the law profession has become. You ever witnessed a company run by a lawyer and you find the worst run company in your area. Every thing is a liability so we need 1200 pieces of paper to cover our ass and eventually nothing ever gets done. That is at the local level just imagine on a national level.
We need new blood. A practical business approach.
I listen to you guys beat on the democrats and it sound like Glen Beck repeat. I don't even have to watch his show to know what **** is pushing. Not that I am a Demo fan at all. Not even close. However, Beck and Rush insight their base to keep people listening. I am sure the Demo radio personalities do the same.
I have my own list.
Tort Reform.
Illegals.
Property Taxes.
Reduced budgets and more efficient spending.
Reduce cost on the state and federal level for small business.
Good ole Boy network at the state gone.
Tort Reform again. (Loser pays).
BY the way, everything is not right with the medical profession and our system, however, we can take practical low cost measures and change it without a total overhaul.
Just my 2 cents I hate politics!! I have my own opinion and that ranges from very conservative (like kill murderers) to somewhat liberal in that changes need to be made to health care.
I hate the demos because their leftist base and causes.
I hate the republicans for their catering to large corps and rich businessmen.
I want someone looking out for the middle class.
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Posted: 14 March 2010 at 7:22pm |
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Not everyone on the right listens or watchs Beck or Limbaugh. Maybe you can fill us in?
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Like elimination of all the democratic leaders and all the crap agendas they have passed in say since the Reagan administraion...
